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0:17 A digital wildcatters welcome back to another edition of Bt. He were actually starting off a little somber. I think on the show, Cause we're recording this Monday, nine eleven, and we've been

0:29 sitting around the last few minutes talking about that day where we were and and the like and my take on that day is and this was kind of weird where I was. Is my mother -in -law called and said,

0:44 Are you watching the Tv, and I was kind of annoyed by Er. No, I'm not trying to get to work and eventually she's like just turn on the Tv. So it was gone on and this is strange, but for some

0:55 reason I felt the need to go out and get my car washed, and as strange as that sounds, I just needed something normal to do as I was trying to process it so that was kind of my nine eleven moment of

1:09 of that happening, I was on the corner of Congress Avenue and Sixth Street. And Leslie, you know that, If y'all remember the icon, lastly that half naked man who ran for Mayor of Austin, God,

1:24 bless his soul. He's no longer with us, but he was down below. I was in an office building, and what happened afterwards we all sort of were stunned. In silence. There's a bunch of us is

1:37 watching the Tv. My first instinct was to get my children out of school, and so that's exact, I left to go get my kids and I dunno. Why, but it was just didn't know why wouldn't your what was

1:51 happening? But that was my first Da instinct. But I remember exactly where I was. I saw the T V coverage I was tying my tie. I remember back in the day when I'm already at work tying his tie. I

2:03 just. I just. I just finished a physical at the Houstonian hotel was in the locker room and they had two or three Tv's on the wall, and it was you know was just this. Slow surreal realization,

2:17 and then my phone's ringing and it's my assistant telling me not to come downtown, and so Houston was a target beyond. We all thought. Yeah, I didn't yet did your your mind and I'm a day am forty

2:30 miles from my house. Which is you know backup the Hardy Torode and I remember driving. I'd met a friend and colleague at Starbucks or on Post Oak. Just kind of a. You know what the hell's going on

2:43 and then took off in and went home and I just remember driving on a crystal clear day up the hardy toll road Where you know the. The inbound flight patterns are coming in pretty frequently in low

2:55 across the hardy toll road. There wasn't any. There are there weren't any. There weren't any inbound aircraft. There were no aircraft to be found. It was a day you could see. I'm all right, So

3:03 that was that was just really the kind of the beginning of of a very long day of trying to process all this. Yeah, I think the the other kind of. And I am in it affected all of us very profoundly,

3:17 and we could tell a million stories, but just aside from getting my carwash about three months later I was in New York. We are fundraising and it'd become a memorial. Basically people were putting

3:32 notes to you know, Have you seen this person which was heartbreaking, But I remember one note I wrote that a little girl had written in crayon on a sheet of paper that said dear Daddy. I just

3:47 wanted to say goodbye. I know you are so brave that day, and I mean I still get goosebumps and and well up with tears. When I think about reading at that card, I had changed. My situation was

4:02 commuting to New York, and actually had an apartment on the north end of Battery Park, which was just a mirror, clone blocks, and I was there kind of fall. December was a through through December

4:16 was going back and forth and then really started, and spending a lot of time. There. Course that whole operation went on for quite a while and the thing that I always remember was walking back to

4:29 my apartment at night is all the lights, but then the smells, and then you'd walk up and down some of the streets at weren't barricaded and look in these businesses that you know still had where the

4:41 ash and the dust had gotten under under the doors and it just coated everything in these in these stores and they had not been touched, and so it was just a real. I just kind of kind of gets seared

4:56 into you at that at that point and it. It seems like a long time ago, but when when this day comes around it it's a it company. It comes back to the forefront for I know all of us as we were

5:10 talking about it earlier, I think the major impact. Is in where we discuss earlier? We're not talking about who what when why? But just what's amazing about this day is seeing how the American

5:25 people came together. Nothing rallied us more than that. Then something like this. It was amazing to see not only what happened New York, but just across the country. How everyone sort of we

5:37 became 'em were Americans again, and and you know think about where we are today. We couldn't be more not American. If you kind of look around every nook and cranny. Everyone's claiming to be

5:47 somebody different, but that was probably the day where we were the most aligned as a nation. Don't you think the people? Well? I? I think literally every single American Democrat Republican

6:03 libertarian anarchist, whoever was rooting with all their heart and soul for George Bush to throw a strike? When he walked out at Yankee Stadium and I, No, seriously, Yeah, everybody wanted him

6:19 to throw a strike, and he nailed the strike. Not only throw a strike would throw it from sixty feet so essential. He remember, he did. He went to the regular mount right down Greg Dollars, or

6:30 your great University of Texas pitcher, Thank you, Greg. If you're listening, He was there in the stadium. He said. I remember that pitch such a good pitch. Yeah, Yeah, and everybody every

6:41 single American cheered it even if they didn't vote for him, so I think you're right about that and and I think the other big lesson stating kind of obvious stuff is just tomorrow's not guaranteed

6:53 everybody so right. Nobody had that on the bingo card that morning. That to

6:60 her at Mark, kick us off the G Twenty. Missing in action. Yeah, They have t how to a piece. I think it was out a day ago about the disappointment. And the criticism coming from various climate

7:13 groups that the larger G twenty did not take the G seven proclamations or statement a step further. Yes, they did reiterate a commitment to tripling renewables capacity by twenty thirty, but there

7:31 was really no timeline set in. This is this is the real Crux issue for the climate activists, the timeline to end fossil fuel emissions without

7:46 without corresponding capture, and so this is going to roll in to to C O P. Twenty eight, there was a a piece out over the weekend as well now that the industry and oil and gas is leading. This is

7:60 starting to show viability and commitment to things like Ccs.

8:05 The the goalposts or the rules shift a little bit with. It's not about capturing the emissions. It's literally about ending the burning of fossil fuels, and so you know more of the same, I think

8:18 you've got a larger group obviously in the G twenty than you do in the G seven, and there's quite a bit of Wait a minute. You know what are we signing up for a relative to our own economic situation,

8:30 and and certainly our political stability, or they think it's just a very unwieldy group to you know, really try to put any kind of teeth into a timeline of that nature when it's easy just to kind

8:42 of kick the can down the road. Especially She's as you. I mean, let's give an example of Germany. You know a gringo decommissioned a wind farm and and go back to mining coal, and so the narrative

8:56 is changing. You've got sort of on one side, You've got oil and gas companies and wait, We can actually be capture all this. We can burn the fossil fuels and we can capture the emissions. You've

9:07 got enough the other side saying. We don't want you to burn him at all. Forget that it's actually okay Because you can capture all that. We just don't want you to do it, so there's a fight that's

9:18 been brewing, but it almost seems like oil and gas is certain to win this fight. What do you think so? Here's my take on this and I'll give a little example. My uncle Terry practice law for a

9:32 gazillion. Years. He started off. His first job was working for Leonard Scar, Sala and if you don't know Leonard was, he was mayor for fifty four years of Stafford, Texas, you know just down

9:45 the road from here, and anyway, Leonard one day is in court and he's defending a lady that got a speeding ticket, and it's a speeding ticket. Nick is a twenty dollar fine, and Leonard's calling

10:03 witnesses and expert witnesses after about an hour and a half, the judges said. Hold on. We're going into recess, Scar Salah getting my office, and the judge is going letter. What in the hell

10:17 are you doing this is a parking to or a speeding ticket. Just pay the ticket. What are you doing?

10:24 He goes well While your honor. That's my wife that I'm defending from the speeding ticket and she told me three days ago that she had to teach school to put me through law school, and if I couldn't

10:37 get her out of this ticket, it was all for naught. The justice went scar. Salah. Why didn't you tell me that? In tears up the ticket right there. I want to do this with climate protesters. Just

10:49 tell me what we're doing. I mean this is just mind blowing That it's like we. You know we don't want to burn hydrocarbons anymore. Okay, Great, Now we don't want to produce them anymore Will hold

11:01 on time out. You know we don't want to put carbon in the air. Just tell me what the hell we're doing cause it's tiring. And the sad thing is every time energy prices are higher people do die. So

11:14 just tell me the people that are dying today are worth it. Climate. Can we called up the score Sell Rule the scar seller. I it. You just gotta tell us what the hell is going on. So anyway,

11:25 brilliant,

11:28 we got another more. Mean There's there's so much we can. We can talk about Al Gore and his comments. Were you all talk about the water. The recent article. Go go to Al Gore on this. Because I

11:39 think this just rolls right into the. I mean we're gonna call it the principal. The principal Al Gore. Look. I mean he became a billionaire over a powerpoints which is a pretty damn good our ally,

11:50 for you know who who knows how long he worked on it, but he tweeted a new Un Report has confirmed that we're not on track to achieve the goals of the Paris agreement. This latest report card shows

12:02 that we are failing, not because we don't know the answers, but because we aren't doing her homework. We need to rapidly phased out. Fossil fuels dramatically accelerate climate finance, Protect

12:11 nature, deploy renewable energy, both rapidly and equitably, Now's the moment, blah, blah, blah, so a guy fall a twitter and responded Al Gore and this is his comment which I think sums it up

12:26 for me at the Koeppen Climate Copenhagen Climate Conference in two thousand and nine, Al Gore said there was a seventy five percent chance at the entire North Pole ice cap. During some of the summer

12:36 months could be completely ice free within the next five to seven years never happened, and two thousand and six global warming documentary, an inconvenient truth, Al Gore predicted that the global

12:46 sea level could rise as much as twenty feet in the near future. Never happen. Two thousand. Seven Gore warned that stronger storms would continue to threaten entire cities. However, there has

12:58 been a slight downward trend of the last thirty years of the accumulated cyclone energy index tool used to measure tropical storm activity around the world. In two thousand and seven speech delivered

13:09 in Norway, Gore claimed that the Earth's average temperature would increase by many degrees. The amount of carbon in the atmosphere. W never happened,

13:20 so I, I think we just need to see and take it with a grain of salt. Is that there's going to be people always claiming, and he's he's been enriched by that, so he always have to look at peoples

13:31 pocketbook to figure out what their intentions are, but it is a little bit interesting that we're not even close to the climate and the Paris agreements, and we're starting to see countries and and

13:42 even companies back off. I dunno, that's my take Yan in those that are pushing back or devising real solutions like we alluded to as Ccs and oil and gas industry, which is really making great

13:56 strides in and taking the lead in a lot of areas. Isn't really what this is about right. It's it reminds me of a board meeting at. Well, the former employer, there was a litigator who was on the

14:09 board, and one or more Houston's more famous names from the distant past, when we were

14:17 young, analysts really just worrying about the ability to to solve problems for our clients, and he looked across the table and said

14:28 Hell, What do you mean Solve problems. We want chaos and uncertainty and volatility. How do you think we get paid? Boy? Yeah, and so I, you're you're exactly right, Just the The the the three

14:43 -word adage that explains most things is Follow the money, and so this is a in in in some more cynical segments is a grifter vec epic proportions, and you know how does a guy like Al Gore who spent

14:58 most of his life in public service suddenly become a billionaire with a literal zero point, zero, zero zero batting.

15:09 Yeah, I mean I have a quick comment on that, but I'm going to keep keep a. Keep it to myself. However, speaking of, since this is right in line, Natalie is that sort of lacking context, but do

15:23 you send an article as pretty funny about the energy secretary taken an eevee trip? Oh, by the way I do have to name Drop backstage. You too hung out with Al Gore One day. Now, See, Of course

15:34 you I got a picture. Did he did he wanted a photo with you or the other way around, I am standing in the front of the photo, and he's kind of a in the back. Maybe I'll send it to A to Jacob and

15:47 get him to pop it up. He. He. He was pretty stiff. I'll just say that I was kind of expecting. What's he doing a U two concert in the first place. I don't know, but I was kind of thinking I'd

15:58 get a good old policing policing lyrics for tipper. Yeah, That's really funny. That's really funny. Anyway, I'll find the. I'll find the photo and and get it to Jacob, Ming. Pop it up on the

16:12 screen. Let's go, but I didn't mean to cut off the The theatrics around our energy secretary.

16:21 Mark. It was described as a scene out of the sitcom Veep, but the Energy Secretary had a kind of show and tell Evie caravan throughout the Southeast to remote to to promote that The Ira right

16:39 correct, and and just the viability of traveling long over the road distances in various types of vehicles, I believe that a high end Cadillac V, which is called, I believe the lyric with a Q. Of

16:54 course, he had Collins favorite F, one fifty lightning, and then I had a Chevy bolt as well, and so the scene that was described as being really do the The. Into the nexus of the fiasco was an

17:10 attempt to stop at a four point charging station in Groveton, which is a suburb of Augusta. I didn't know Augusta had suburbs. I thought a congested Georgia. Yeah, Yeah, I thought, Yeah, Fina

17:23 gas is known as a suburb of faraway suburb of Atlanta. Right, so, anyway, and

17:31 too have the fast charges were broken common. One of the advanced team parked an ice vehicle in a charging space, which by the way, according to Georgia law or under Georgia law is not illegal,

17:47 and so you've got someone holding the spot for the secretaries eevee in advance of her arrival. Meanwhile, you have a family in the swamp on a sweltering day with a very cranky and upset baby, and

18:02 they need to charge. They need to charge to get on their way and also run their air conditioner. And they got so upset they called police. Yeah, cause some damned ice cars sitting in my charging

18:15 spot, so they dispersed other vehicles, and I don't know if these were vehicles that were there, waiting in line to charge, or part of the entourage, two other points, and distant to slower

18:28 chargers, so they can accommodate the secretaries vehicle, and this family's vehicle. You can't make this up. I mean, Yeah, none of it, None of the three of us could and were pretty smart and

18:40 creative, but I saw one comment. What about dry runs. Don't don't all of these political show and tell a grand shows. Don't they all have dress rehearsals? That's too to show up to a defined

18:57 charging point and have two of the four available chargers, not working and or not having cordoned off. That charging station to make sure that they were not in conflict with the Rank and file, who

19:11 are out there, trying to actually get somewhere and do something in the reveal, whether his transport a family home or go to work right away. We've got a big video or photo op and kind of all hell

19:25 breaks loose, Because well, the facility wasn't at full capacity. To the charges were broken, and you, You probably had a bit more of a demand. Because of just the heat that day. It's so

19:42 there's my Al Gore picture. Young Look at it that this is kind of interesting cause Mark, but music guys right, so we've got friends in the music business and one of my dearest friends as a tour

19:52 manager, Guy, and he swears that he could revolutionize politics if they would just let him schedule this stuff. You know, ocher, a M A, said the waste and inefficiency. Political campaigning

20:08 if they actually applied the rigor and the discipline of music touring that it'll be so much more efficient. You could get so many more stops, and you could do thanks so much better. There wouldn't

20:20 be shit show mess like this, or, or in your example, I think of coming home from Europe. Having chick fillet manage the The logistics outside of terminal. He writes Anklet. Yeah, I'll talk to

20:34 her managers are our masters. I mean it's it's way. It's almost like the secretaries is just completely blind, but there's a huge charging infrastructure problem in the U. S. We've talked about

20:48 it. I've talked about her own range anxiety. You couldn't make it up. You couldn't get a worse timing with a family calling the police secretary, but it. It's almost like so apropos with a baby

21:02 trying to push a narrative. That's where we're just not ready. I mean Tesla's. Figured out the narrative. They figured out a long time ago. The rest of ice. I mean the recipe bees that don't

21:12 have a charging infrastructure throughout the United States. It's just hilarious. I. I'm just laughing because it's it's such a great. It's just so great for us sarcastic. When we go to you.

21:22 We're just. We're always going to say former Ibi owner form a form Yoda, and Oh. By the way I both of us. I, you know I worked in Nashville for him for, and we owned a bunch of music labels and

21:33 I was. Oh. I didn't know. Yes. I got fired from that job. I didn't get fired. I quit, but my boss came to me after we destroyed the company in two thousand. After you. Didn't you know

21:44 nineteen ninety nine, I remember the bubble that burst in Internet music industry was part of that napster. You know hollow. I was part of the Internet team where we destroyed a publicly traded

21:54 company, so my boss pulls me aside for drink goes. How do you think things are going? I went. I think this is networking. Yeah, but hey, I did. I did some work in the business, so they are

22:09 well. You know, I dunno how we make the segue, But we'll just go from music business to water. Wow, Well, This is interesting. I did not know Okay well Was first reground ourselves. One Gp T

22:24 chat search consumes how many watts, five, one five and one Google searches, What one might well, a new ally, what and reacquaint, and just to train the language to run, that Ai search is

22:38 anywhere from one hundred to a thousand watts, so you've yet to build it before you can even do the five watt, while so a new research study published by the University of California bonds at just

22:49 five G, P T queries consume as much as sixteen ounces of water. So this is a major problem. Water consumption is a major issue who knew six, oh nine to half later. So and the research actually

23:08 looked at and the the researches and the water usage by Microsoft, Opening, I, Google are closely held secrets that they don't want people to know how bad this is, But this research looked at

23:22 Microsoft at one of their low low. What an energy can consume consumption and facilities, and they found that water consumption surged by thirty four per cent from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty

23:37 two, which is nearly one point, seven billion gallons of water. What are they need all this water in the water to cool the data centers and even one state are one and the area, Des Moines, Iowa,

23:50 which had a lot of data centers is worried that the data centers are actually gonna take away from residential use a water, so to actually conflicting there, the amount of water that they're

24:01 consuming from the rivers is actually threatening the water supply for resin. And what what had? Where does the discharge? Yeah mass? The the dumb question is the is the heating or the cooling

24:13 process called, Cause it to evaporate, but it wouldn't leave the tubes. Would it? I mean you're asking a really good question that I have no idea. I mean I'm going to have to dig, and I'm just

24:22 reading high level research We gave you homework. You do he did give me homework. I do know that there are technologies, but we'll find out so so I guess the real question is how much or at all is

24:35 it recyclable As the you know we talk, We've talked in the industry past about how much water we can recycle and stimulation operations. But if they're consuming water to cool one time, and then

24:49 you know what happens to it and it's not usable again. I, I cannot can't imagine what makes it unusable. But, but I mean just flat out more. Yeah, what a law, even if it's a closed loop and you

25:02 probably need a bunch of water so that it has time to. Will somehow which probably requires more well that, he also also the compounding on the number of of applications, yet or or training

25:17 eventual video at power plants. They consume a ton of water. They they ingest the water, and then they throw it back into the wa. A water streams. After treating, I don't know how much

25:29 evaporates, but in July two thousand and twenty two, the article goes on to say that Microsoft data centers in Iowa used about six percent of all water in the district. Just the data centers.

25:40 That's huge, so let's figure out what actually they use of the water, but but even if it's closed loop to Mark's point, it's just we're building more building more and more data centers every day,

25:51 Oh, absolutely, and one of my colleagues. That when I was at Shell is funny, he invested in technology as a man. I just none of that, None of the big like Intel's of the world. They didn't want

26:02 to have anything to do with this company, but we invested because the. Sort of the future data centers, potentially a submersible computers in oil, and like in in in viscous but cooling materials,

26:14 so that they can run a lot cooler because we know that my body as I said, I'm one of the executives at one of the largest data center companies, Renowned Anonymous is set, told us that many of

26:28 their clients and cannot afford to run a Chow Gb T or a eyes, because the chip run too hot, and so there's a huge sort of bottleneck that we have right now with building the data centers, having

26:43 the energy capacity to build more data centers and now I'm having enough water to cool. It's interesting. Have a really good friend of mine that was actually younger brother Jay's best friend during

26:59 a during rice days back in college is at. Intel and we've been email and he listens to Bt and Chuck Gates needs a job. Because his he's working on data center stuff and a lot of it's about energy

27:15 efficiency and the issues we're talking about right now. Summer. Hopefully I get zine to come on the podcast. I love that your oven or de la one. Zane might be the smartest guy I've ever met so

27:26 it'd be fun to have him on. Now. Let's go water, Subset West Texas, Mark, Yeah, one you know in the area of sustainability, and and what the industry has been dealing with, particularly,

27:41 since we've gotten into, you know high -intensity fracture stimulation horizontal drilling in the Permian twelve, thirteen years ago, You now have I think a a greater realization that not only is

27:57 it flowback water, but you've got this issue. Greater in the Delaware than in the Midland basin of how much formation water you're going to produce over life cycle as well and it's you know,

28:07 typically not trivial, and it's also typically pretty nasty stuff, And so what what's the right? You know what's the right method process strategy for handling that and I didn't. I didn't read

28:21 deeply into the details and I dunno if there's a conference call on the Jv that was announced this morning between diamond back and five point, a British water Jv in which a five -point paid diamond

28:35 baca, five hundred million dollar up front diamond back retains a thirty percent equity stake. I think there's opportunity for future and a cash earnings based on performance, and so I think

28:47 putting a putting a strategic Jv in place around the area of produced water just reminds us again of a real issue that needs to be addressed by the industry. It has been addressed. It's been off the

29:01 headline. For awhile. You know water is just another battleground in sustainability and environmental, A set of issues that are out there, so I, I think this was an interesting announcements

29:15 morning. Looking forward in hearing more about it. I think you know to the chat, G P T in the water needs, and the management of all that who knows, maybe, maybe the Uh, the Ai model developers,

29:28 are you know open to learning something from how the industry is is handling a, a very significant and very sensitive and serious water issue, Cause I know the bitcoin miners. Are we? We've seen

29:41 that at our empower conference of Hey, we gotta keep things cool. We got an absolute water, and so that's that's a. That's a real thing and Robert Norton Case, Van Hoff guys come on, Bt. Come

29:54 on a Chuck Yates needs a job. We'd love to have you guys talk about that. Find out which down so before we wrap this up, Chuck, I. I want to pre -empt it and we're going to roll into our. Our

30:07 our last piece cut, but Lol yesterday I was plan seen some of my boys on the golf course. They're Lubbock boys, and what I didn't know is that John Denver's from Lubbock, or he was with them in a

30:20 band called the caravan, Nineteen sixty fours, A damn it another guy from Lubbock, What the hell is happening or happened in Lubbock, so I love the flat landers, a big flat, Joe Ealy, and Butch

30:33 Hancock, which my boy is third cousins with Butch, Nice, and then I, I'm a big fan of Jimmy Dale Gilmore, but Pat Green, I didn't realize Lubbock sorta just continues to crank out Wade Bowen. A

30:46 man. They keep cranking out. Great R. Evans, said the biggest name yet Buddy Holly, But it. It was stolen that I was waiting to like. Of course, Buddy Holly, right, but what the hell is

30:57 growing in love? I mean why are all these musicians come out of lubbock. That's a good. That's a good question. Have you seen Buddy Holly's grave? Know I've I've actually done that because I've

31:08 I've gotten into the you know, Hang out until you're out of Fairmount and I've gotten to the point. Now I just drive up. Their cars are high. You'd just to hang you know, but I've got a really

31:17 good friend and Amarillo, so stopping and going to the big Texan I've got a really good friend and Santa Fe. You know that kind of breaks the trip up, but you run right through Lubbock and I. I've

31:27 stopped and seen the grave. They've kind of got markers all throughout Buddy Holly's grave this way lot, and then you know, of course Natalie Maines. Which it was We were talking for the show,

31:37 right another lubbock. Yeah exaggeration, so curveball. I'm gonna throw it. You guys on the on the same deal, Cause we're getting to the same place, Top five country music songs of all time.

31:53 I'll go first just to give you all a chance of think. I I think number one as he stopped loving her today. The George Jones, that's that's number one

32:02 and he wrote that song. Who I sold the lyrics at an auction. One time. Did he really shit and written, nice, say then at some of the aim of it, Bobby Braddock, right, and Uh, what's his face?

32:17 Malcolm Gladwell did just a great podcast on Bobby goes cool, Keep going Angel flying too close to the ground, but I liked that will will he would have to make it and I'm gonna say, and we'll go

32:30 around a couple more times. I'm going to say I walk the line, Ring of fire boy named Sue Man in block one genre of had just throw it on one of those Johnny Cash songs, Cause you can make a case for

32:44 each one of them. I have to bring one in. That's by. I guess by our vintage and timelines would be fairly contemporary, but it's a vocalist that's actually on my Mount Rushmore along with Ray

32:57 Price, Marty Robbins. And George Jones and that's as Ronnie Dunn in Neon Moon. I think that is they gift. That is that is. I mean I've just learned a new that thought that is taught that his top

33:11 ten worthy. There you go, or at an. I mean he is speaking a Marty Robbins in the El Paso is just a classic. Yeah, as clean as my dad's favorite singer, So that is actually one of my defender. I

33:24 had a defender ninety that I bought from Amarillo, the last imported soft top defender Ninety before the the airbag issue. They stop importing them. I bought it. Her name was full Lena, after

33:40 Marty Robbins Song El Path. So do you remember in breaking bad that there was an episode named Selena. Was that about when he steals the car in New Hampshire, The Volvo. There's a cassette tape.

33:55 He found the keys in the visor every strand to hot wire the car. And he takes off driving back to exact his revenge in New Mexico, and the cassette tape that was popped in was a Marty Robbins, and

34:09 it was playing El Paso, and so the whole episode is named Helena. Oh, that's cool silver wings by Merle Haggard. I, I had Mama tried, so so so I'm right there and I think country music is not

34:23 complete unless we talk about the bad ass women and Simon ago with three of them right here. Jolene. Oh, I'm gonna go with. I'm going to go crazy. Written by Willie Nelson. What was the original

34:35 title? Don't remember. There's a good story around that one. Yeah, the original title was stupid. Stupid went in and they executives like menace is not going to make it. Can I tell Oh Willie

34:47 sidebar story too, So this is in his most recent autobiography which I think is titled. It's a long story. He's at. He's at tootsies, I believe in tipping a few back, and it's really late at

35:02 night and his manager calls him and Patsy was picking up the song, but was having trouble with the meter. Well, No one has a meter like Willie, so you know kind of make it your own While she, she

35:15 summoned Willie to her house at like two o'clock in the morning, and he was so either star struck her nervous, he sitting in the in the driveway in the car and his manager's car, and he wouldn't

35:26 come out, cause she's waiting on him. You know to have this discussion about the song and the great Patsy Cline at two o'clock in the morning comes out of her house in curlers in a house robe and

35:39 said Willie get your ass in the house.

35:43 Which is you know she's struggling with trying to mimic his meter on the song which nobody can derive. Only will it can do as only Willie canoes Willie's meter, we know. Happened after that and so

35:55 that was kind of a breakthrough moment apparently, and she recorded the the epic version That she did. I mean I don't have a song, but don't mean that we're talking about famous country. Yeah,

36:06 but Selena has to be thrown in here. So there yet I mean we have to throw. Selina. Is slated. It. Ah, Okay, A little bit of clean up on this and then I want to get to to why I brought this up.

36:18 There's gotta be a George Strait song. Could at least discuss. I'll go with the chair. Although a lot of people go. Yeah, I was almost going to say that exes live in Texas, my favorite, which

36:30 was actually written. One of the few that was written by Erv Woolsey, who has his career long manager. I. I say Herb likes to you know he he invented partying for a living And is I can still make

36:43 Cheyenne. Yeah, I like that. The M. I'll throw a couple out there, Hank Williams, so I'm so lonesome I. Try your cheating heart Lost highway, mean we you can pick any Hank Williams song You

36:58 want my Willy song was actually poncho and lefty. I love it, even though he didn't write it, but love that song, and then I was running through a Jolene stand by your man, and then I had coal

37:13 miner's daughter on there along with crazy, and then I'll go ahead and say this, and this may be too cliche to say, but I actually have this at number two on my list as friends in low places by

37:25 Garth. The reason I brought the mighty actually throw out craze are angry all the time by Bruce Robison, Ooh, I like that from a number one hit for Faith Hill, and and and didn't sing it with Tim

37:39 Mcgraw. Tim Mcgraw. Yeah, The, thus. Oh, I've sang it nice tie on that. Because the reason I have brought all this up and I think the reason you started talking country music is Charlie Robison

37:49 passed away. This hearts are heavy man. Yeah, it really is and. I will say I wanna say two things about him. One may last year was a crappy year. It just was. I mean I was kind of in a funk all

38:02 year and those of you who have listened to the podcast heard me talk about it and hug right now. I don't need one. But I'll get one was to go.

38:15 We get the camera. Ah, Ok,

38:20 love you, man, I'm so glad we didn't bump wieners.

38:26 But no, so so part of me getting to feel better. Is I went on a country music tour at the end of December, so I saw I saw Hayden Baker, I saw Roger Krieger, and then on December thirtieth, I saw

38:41 Charlie Rose, and and I when he retired in two thousand and eighteen, I thought I was never going to get to see him again, so that was actually a really cool, and the second thing I will say is.

38:53 His his song Loving county. I think is the greatest oil and gas song ever The field hand kills the rich woman. Stills the wedding ring, so he can get his girlfriend back from the company man winds

39:07 up going to jail and I will say this. I think Loving County can be included in the discussion of all the songs we just talked about. I think It's that good else. Return place has a special place in

39:19 my heart. I get that I really love that song. I get that, so we don't really have I dunno who to give the finger to On that one for hours giving a. This is a tribute. Yes, Attribute is not a

39:31 finger week. Yeah, not a finger week, but anyway I will miss you, Charlie, Eldest, Definitely, thus, Charlie Robeson. Alright, Everybody, thanks for joining us, Colin again is suffering

39:43 from his prostate injury, but we have to have him back next week. If you enjoyed the podcast, Be sure to subscribe, Give it to a friend and we'll catch you next week.

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